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		<title>Facebook&#8217;s Belated Investor Honeymoon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Gimein</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the market has animal spirits, they are nuzzling up to Mark Zuckerberg. After a 79 percent drop in profit, Facebook's shares ended the day down less than one percent.]]></description>
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<p>After slipping on a <a title="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-30/facebook-profit-drops-amid-higher-spending-on-features-ad-tools.html" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-30/facebook-profit-drops-amid-higher-spending-on-features-ad-tools.html">79 percent drop in profit</a>, Facebook Inc. regained most of the lost ground and ended the day down less than one percent from yesterday&#8217;s close. It&#8217;s a very different scenario from the days following Facebook&#8217;s initial public offering. Then, any hint of bad news <a title="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-16/facebook-freeing-60-percent-more-shares-seen-weighing-on-stock.html" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-16/facebook-freeing-60-percent-more-shares-seen-weighing-on-stock.html">sent the stock down</a>. Now the momentum seems to have shifted in Facebook&#8217;s favor. If the market has animal spirits, they are nuzzling up to Mark Zuckerberg.</p>
<p>In a post last week, <em>The Market Now</em> covered how <a title="http://go.bloomberg.com/market-now/2013/01/23/apples-profit-vs-amazons-promise/" href="http://go.bloomberg.com/market-now/2013/01/23/apples-profit-vs-amazons-promise/">forgiving the market has been of Amazon.com Inc.</a> for many years. Facebook seems to be taking pages out of Jeff Bezos&#8217;s playbook, directing attention to the good (rising mobile revenue) and justifying the bad (falling net income) as an investment in the future.</p>
<p>The difference is that at this stage in the history of technology, it&#8217;s hard to see maintaining the land-grab justification for very long. Facebook can&#8217;t really say it&#8217;s spending to acquire users &#8212; it has more than a billion. The company obviously still has plenty of room to make inroads in mobile. The hard part for Facebook has been making money off all the users it does have. It&#8217;s not clear that&#8217;ll be easier on a four-inch screen.</p>
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		<title>Apple&#8217;s Profit vs. Amazon&#8217;s Promise</title>
		<link>http://go.bloomberg.com/market-now/2013/01/23/apples-profit-vs-amazons-promise/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Gimein</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazon founder Jeff Bezos has a net worth of $25.3 billion. Since it first turned a profit in 2002, Amazon has reported about $5.4 billion in earnings. Think of it this way: if Bezos had taken out every penny in profit, his bank balance would be less than one-quarter of what his shares are worth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_1049" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 620px"><a href="http://go.bloomberg.com/market-now/files/2013/01/TMN-Amazon-620.jpg"><img src="http://go.bloomberg.com/market-now/files/2013/01/TMN-Amazon-620.jpg" alt="" width="620" height="413" class="size-full wp-image-1049" /></a><p class="text-right">Photographer: Adriano Machado/Bloomberg News</p><p class="wp-caption-text">No matter how fast Tim Cook paddles, he can&#8217;t match the ease with which Jeff Bezos floats down the Amazon.</p></div>
<p>Apple Inc. today <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-23/apple-s-holiday-sales-miss-predictions.html">reported $13.1 billion in profit</a> for the last quarter of 2012, putting it at over $40 billion for the year &#8212; a number only one other company, Exxon Mobil Corp., has ever exceeded. Apple beat profit estimates, though (yes, this is the key part) growth slowed. So naturally Apple shares got clobbered.</p>
<p>You can debate whether investors who are selling are right to turn from Apple. Growth is indeed a question mark: the bigger the profit numbers get, the harder it is to raise them. To really make sense of the market&#8217;s view of Apple, however, it helps to set Apple next to Amazon.com Inc.</p>
<p>On today&#8217;s <a title="www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/2013-01-22/aaa" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/2013-01-22/aaa">Bloomberg Billionaires list</a>, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos comes in at no. 19, with a net worth of $25.3 billion. That fortune has skyrocketed as Amazon has gone to its current $267 share price and $121 billion market cap.</p>
<p>Comparing Bezos&#8217;s fortune to Amazon&#8217;s earnings highlights how deeply puzzling that increase has been. Since 2003, the first year in which Amazon earned a profit, through the end of 2011, Amazon has reported a <em>total</em> of $5 billion in earnings. Amazon has not yet reported results for this year; it lost money in the last quarter, but is expected to turn a profit for the year.</p>
<p>Think of it this way: if Bezos had started the company himself, still owned all of it, and had taken out every penny in profit, his bank balance would be less than one-quarter of what his shares are worth. Or think of it another way: Apple&#8217;s profit for the last quarter alone is well over twice Amazon&#8217;s profit over its entire entire existence.</p>
<p>By conventional metrics, Amazon&#8217;s earning are so low that it&#8217;s almost senseless to talk about them. <a title="http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AMZN:US" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AMZN:US">Amazon&#8217;s price/earings ratio? 505</a>. Unable to explain this in any traditional way, commentators tend to descend into the mysticism of the far-off future, talking about Bezos&#8217;s &#8220;long term&#8221; view. That long-term might parallel a human lifespan; Amazon has been a public company since 1997, and seems to be just entering adolescence.</p>
<p>Apple makes so much money that investors are leery of whether it can continue growing. In stark contrast, Amazon has made so little that, paradoxically, it continues to hold out the prospect of limitless growth. The magic of Steve Jobs&#8217;s recent years of Apple presentations was that you could rely on Apple to introduce perfectly, gloriously finished products. Bezos has done the opposite: whether it&#8217;s cloud computing services or the Kindle, Bezos keeps giving investors works in progress.</p>
<p>Amazon was part of the first cadre of companies to go public before turning a profit. That marked a dramatic break with the past history of the stock market. Since the late 90s, it has made less and less sense to talk about the intrinsic value of a company to predict the movement of its shares. No chief executive has understood that transformation better than Bezos &#8212; or benefited from it more.</p>
<p><em>* Correction: An earlier version of this post said that Amazon had earned $5.4 billion.</em></p>
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